Comments on: Monday Accident & Lessons Learned: US Navy Ships Collide - Corrective Action? Fire the CO! http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/ Root Cause Analysis / Accident/Incident Investigation / Performance Improvement / TapRooT® Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:58:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Mark Paradies http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/comment-page-1/#comment-73880 Mark Paradies Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:48:42 +0000 http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/#comment-73880 From the documentation you could read, the COB got it because he didn't provide better enlisted leadership. (Not that I agree with that - that's just what I got from the JAG report.) Mark From the documentation you could read, the COB got it because he didn’t provide better enlisted leadership.

(Not that I agree with that - that’s just what I got from the JAG report.)

Mark

]]> By: Gary Christopher http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/comment-page-1/#comment-73874 Gary Christopher Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:14:38 +0000 http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/#comment-73874 Why is the COB's career over? He has no part in the navigation of the boat, even if he was the Diving Officer of the Watch. Only the OOD, Navigator, and CO bear responsibilty in the collision (and possibly the on-watch sonar supervisor). And what of the CO, OOD, and Navigator of the other ship? As I recall, there were two ships involved. Why is only one CO under the gun? MMC/SS, Retired Why is the COB’s career over? He has no part in the navigation of the boat, even if he was the Diving Officer of the Watch. Only the OOD, Navigator, and CO bear responsibilty in the collision (and possibly the on-watch sonar supervisor). And what of the CO, OOD, and Navigator of the other ship? As I recall, there were two ships involved. Why is only one CO under the gun?
MMC/SS, Retired

]]> By: Mark Paradies http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/comment-page-1/#comment-72845 Mark Paradies Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:56:38 +0000 http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/#comment-72845 There is an ongoing safety investigation in addition to the JAG Manual investigation - so we could hold out hope ... but I think you are an optimist. There is an ongoing safety investigation in addition to the JAG Manual investigation - so we could hold out hope … but I think you are an optimist.

]]> By: Mike England http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/comment-page-1/#comment-72832 Mike England Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:32:26 +0000 http://www.taproot.com/wordpress/2009/11/02/monday-accident-lessons-learned-us-navy-ships-collide-corrective-action-fire-the-co/#comment-72832 Sounds to me like one of those old-fashioned Navy deals where the ship's commander offers to resign his commission or loses his command and is quietly transferred to a CINCLANT staff posting. The Navy publicly blames the CO (OK, let's be fair here, the Cdr is responsible for everything that happens on his ship) and (Let's hope) the root-cause analysis goes on without a lot of public scrutiny. At first, the CO and COB careers are ruined, but you have to wait a couple years and see what comes out of the service schools. Each of them might be highly respected military professionals who go on to complete already successful military carreers. A collission between two naval vessels might be a good academic excercise in root cause analysis, but I have two issues: 1) We ARE at war here, and it is possible we will never have all the information the military has to fully analyze what happened, and 2) Maybe I am just being overly optimistic, but I really believe the Navy is looking for the root cause. The public firing of a CO is just to satisfy the press feeding frenzy so they can get down to business without all the public scrutiny. - just my 2 cents worth Sounds to me like one of those old-fashioned Navy deals where the ship’s commander offers to resign his commission or loses his command and is quietly transferred to a CINCLANT staff posting.
The Navy publicly blames the CO (OK, let’s be fair here, the Cdr is responsible for everything that happens on his ship) and (Let’s hope) the root-cause analysis goes on without a lot of public scrutiny.
At first, the CO and COB careers are ruined, but you have to wait a couple years and see what comes out of the service schools. Each of them might be highly respected military professionals who go on to complete already successful military carreers.
A collission between two naval vessels might be a good academic excercise in root cause analysis, but I have two issues:
1) We ARE at war here, and it is possible we will never have all the information the military has to fully analyze what happened, and
2) Maybe I am just being overly optimistic, but I really believe the Navy is looking for the root cause. The public firing of a CO is just to satisfy the press feeding frenzy so they can get down to business without all the public scrutiny.

- just my 2 cents worth

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